let's have an all-in energy policy that advances american energy independence. let's do something about our infrastructure. let's do something about education. i think so much rides on our ability to resolve the debt problem in a way that doesn't tear us apart. >> hmm. >> quite an optimist. >> yeah, i really hope you're right. >> right. >> i'm saying, that is the only way we are going to get to those other challenges. >> governor, you are making a ton of sense to me today. i like it. >> don't you agree? if the debt problem dissolves into acrimony and bitterness and ideological rigidity, what chance do we have on any of the others? >> that is the question, i was get agent this yesterday, there are people within the democratic party, people worried about this what is the real price, in terms of the social safety net that president obama and democrats are going to end up paying nor, you know, for deficit reduction? what is the price, social safety net? again, governor, i find interesting, you mentioned it i certainly respect your view you that issue was out there r